Posts by The Scotsman

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Just read the God Delusion- JWs get a mention!!

by Kudra in

driving back from dallas to tucson i listened to in on my ipod.

unabridged version.. what surprised me is how sentimental dawkins is.

once or twice he made me tear up.

The Scotsman

Tuesday -

Your missing the point - for gods sake!!!!!!!!!!

First lets stop all of this garbo about there not being any Evolutionists etc etc and whether its a abiogenesis or Evolution!!!! Your merely playing with words.

To suggest that evolution is merely about living things is bull.

It boils down to one question - How did the universe get here? (Not, how did living things get here!)

Evolution is about the "origin" of everything - just as religion is about the origin of everything. - animate or inanimate.

You said - Of course because a pencil is not a living thing. Evolution only applies to living organisms. This isn't even comparing apples to oranges, this is comparing apples to plastic oranges.

Interesting -

The Atom is not living.

Galaxies are not living.

And yet both are governed by physical laws and clearly show design. (Merely my opinion by the way)

Also you qoute others and post links to "pro" evolution videos etc - hey we can all refer to information to back up our claims.

I am not a creationist by the way - and I also do not disagree with everything that Evolution has concluded.

I merely feel that a Creator caused it all to happen. God caused the big bang if you like.

Anyway their is not much point going on with this - I am set in my ways and so are you.

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Just read the God Delusion- JWs get a mention!!

by Kudra in

driving back from dallas to tucson i listened to in on my ipod.

unabridged version.. what surprised me is how sentimental dawkins is.

once or twice he made me tear up.

The Scotsman

Tuesday & Missing Link

There I was, at work just minding my own business and I thought to myself - wonder whats happening on JWN this week - I will have a wee look.

Jees - so glad I did!!!! NOT. LOL.................

I rarely post here now but "thought" this was an interesting subject.

Missing Link - you said ""It's only when the FACTS were shown to me that I interpreted them properly""

How do you KNOW they were facts? How do you KNOW that you interpreted them properly?

I go back to my original point - its all about opinions and I am fine with that.

You were not shown FACTS - you were shown information that someone has concluded is fact - in other words - someone elses opinion. Once again - i am fine with that, we are all the same.

Tuesday, you said this - ""Evolution is not based on a presupposition, it's based on observable, verifiable evidence.""

REALLY???????? Most Evolutionists would not even agree with you on this one!!!

Tuesday, you said - ""Evolution has nothing to do with abiogenesis, this just shows a lack of education on your part.""

No respect for others, or there opinions - you need to work on that! So what if I dont know everything on the subject - neither do you!

Tuesday, you said - ""Otherwise don't bitch about their methods"

No one is bitching about anything - did you read my comments.

I take it we all still agree that a pencil was made by an intelligent being?

No hard feelings folks - its all about opinions and this subject always gets a bit passionate.

I am now lifting my kilt up at the computer screen in a defiant gesture!!!!!!!!!

The Scotsman

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Just read the God Delusion- JWs get a mention!!

by Kudra in

driving back from dallas to tucson i listened to in on my ipod.

unabridged version.. what surprised me is how sentimental dawkins is.

once or twice he made me tear up.

The Scotsman

Missing Link

Why do we interpret facts differently?

Because we start with different presuppositions. These are things that are assumed to be true, without being able to prove them. These then become the basis for other conclusions. All reasoning is based on presuppositions (also called axioms). This becomes especially relevant when dealing with past events.

I am going to hazard a wild guess and say that your presupposition is that you believe in Evolution - no matter what evidence is available, which is fine by me - each to their own and all that.

My presupposition is that we are all the result of being created - based on what I see all around me - everything is "made", life comes from life. These are observable "facts".

I don't believe in creation because its the better option. I believe because, as far as "I" am concerned, its the only logical conclusion.

Imagine 5 pictures were held up - A pencil, a DNA strand, an Atom, a Neuron and a galaxy.

All of us "including Evolutionists" agree that the pencil was "made" by someone, by a human (or group of humans) with intelligence. The pencil did not come about on its own. But, in the same breath evolutionists want us to believe that DNA, the atom, neurons and entire Galaxies are a product of merely the passing of time with no pre-design, no intelligence.

Is this a "reasonable conclusion?

One of Dawkins books is called "The enemies of reason". I am personally convinced that it is these very scientists that are the enemies of "reason"ableness.

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Just read the God Delusion- JWs get a mention!!

by Kudra in

driving back from dallas to tucson i listened to in on my ipod.

unabridged version.. what surprised me is how sentimental dawkins is.

once or twice he made me tear up.

The Scotsman

Natural Selection??????????

Chance????????

Dont matter - evolution has more holes in it than swiss cheese!!!!

He is right that the Creation book is far from perfect - but neither are his conclusions.

I had a fair amount of respect for Richard Dawkins until about 6 months ago I seen an interview with him and he said that -

"Anyone who does not believe Evolution is either stupid, lacking basic intelligence or both".

What a tremendous lack of humility on his part.

Creationists and evolutionists, Christians and non-Christians all have the same evidence—the same facts. Think about it: we all have the same earth, the same fossil layers, the same animals and plants, the same stars—the facts are all the same.

The difference is in the way we all interpret the facts.

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Did you know of any elders who only worked by themselves in field service

by truthseeker in

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there was one elder i knew, a bully type, who always worked by himself in field service.

i never saw anyone else work with him.. did you know of elders like this?.

The Scotsman

I knew an elder who did not like working with sisters becuase "in case he was faced with a tempting situation"!!!!!

No joke - he was quite open about it.

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You can effect a Tipping Point.....

by sweet pea in

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please prove to me i'm not posting in the graveyard shift....... besty and i were talking about password protected and family's exit this last few weeks.

we are full of admiration for the way that they have left with dignity and obviously made many think.

they have not faded, they had a good repuation until the very last moment - mark was an elder - but they stopped and made the decision to be up front and face the elders in a meeting.

The Scotsman

First - I have to "totally" agree with slimboyfat on this one.

Sweetpea - you said that PasswordProtected and family left with dignity. Did they??? As I have told PasswordProtected personally; he will have been disgraced, gossiped about and possibly slandered by his exjw friends - no honourable way out of the org exists!

When people DA or DF - what is the price they pay? The loss of family - surely a loss beyond measurement.

We have faded and it has worked out just fine - no hassle from JWs, they no longer have "any" hold on us what so ever and on top of all that we still have contact with ALL of our families. Sure, for some, DA DF may be the only options; but to suggest it as a course of action to be pursued to somehow create a "tipping point" in the org is simply someones dreams!!!

THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

JWs look at people who leave the org as if they are idiots, to be shunned, faithless and dead at Armageddon. Surely we have a greater chance of getting someone out the org if we maintain some level of contact.

As for Mr and Mrs Scotsman - I feel we have got out of the WTBTS with "a little" dignity - but only because we "did not" DA.

If people want to DA, good on them and I wish them all the best. But we have managed to escape by not DAing - and I am proud of that.

We have all got out of the org - lets just get on with our lives.

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When is the Annual Report out???????

by The Scotsman in

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hello everyone.. its been a while since i posted here - i do pop in now and then to catch up on the latest scandal / news.. i was wondering if the latest annual report is out yet and if not, when is it out?

must be soon surely!!!.

i am hoping to see a global demise of the wtbts - this is perhaps unlikely.

The Scotsman

Thanks guys

Blondie - well spotted. so it will not be in the Feb 2009 WT.

I will just need to be patient.

It will probably be the Jan 2009 KM insert - though the yearbook should be out before then.

I predict a 15% drop in active publishers and 20,000 memorial partakers.......... - ah; we can dream!

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When is the Annual Report out???????

by The Scotsman in

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friends

hello everyone.. its been a while since i posted here - i do pop in now and then to catch up on the latest scandal / news.. i was wondering if the latest annual report is out yet and if not, when is it out?

must be soon surely!!!.

i am hoping to see a global demise of the wtbts - this is perhaps unlikely.

The Scotsman

Hello everyone.

Its been a while since I posted here - I do pop in now and then to catch up on the latest scandal / news.

I was wondering if the latest Annual Report is out yet and if not, when is it out? Must be soon surely!!!

I am hoping to see a global demise of the WTBTS - this is perhaps unlikely. Also the memorial partakers for 2008 - they have not released that important number yet - perhaps they wont.

The Scotsman

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November WT: new policy for inactive ones?

by behemot in

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the november 15 w.t.

(study edition) features these two articles:.

help those who stray from the flock.

The Scotsman

If the org attempt to effectively "disassociate" those who no longer attend - it would have a huge impact on alot of active members.

Would they be required to "shun" those who no longer attend meetings????

Can you feel the agape love????

Will be interesting to see what happens with this.

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Proof, proof, gimme some proof!!!

by Slappy in

atheists clamor for proof of godas existence.

give us hard, physical proof they say, and then weall believe.

if evolution truly happened, how did that one apersona that evolved from monkeys learn to speak and write?

The Scotsman

First this subject is clearly more important to some than to others - for me, I have discussed this subject a million times with all sorts of people,
So nothing new would come out of yet another long discussion.

inrainbows - """ Oh please. Don't discredit yourself with a strawman argument.
I have never made ANY claim to being original. So trying to make it look otherwise in a weak attempt to weaken my argument that does yourself disservice."""

What the HELL are you going on about man???????? You pointed the finger at those who believe creation and criticised the fact that it may have came from "dead" people.
All I said was "you have done the same". Its true - Grow some humility man!!!

inrainbows - """ I think it is your inability to show that Creation IS as viable as modern science that is what annoys you; you'd dearly love creation to be true."""

Dont suggest to know what annoys me - I will make my own mind up on that!

inrainbows - """ Where is your condemnation of HIS utmost arrogance based on ignorant and erroneous faith? """

I do not want to condemn anybody!!!! All I pointed out was the attitude you were displaying - the I am right and you are wrong! Sounds likes JW speak!!!
You are sometimes right and sometimes wrong - just like me and everyone else.

Lets be happy in life and believe want we want to believe.